Tuesday, July 29, 2008

Rear neck grip -

Lavallee's curriculum includes some self defense and releases from holds and grabs. The very first one we learn is a release from a rear neck grab (two hands gripping the neck). We also learn a release from a rear choke hold. In my mind, I group these two attacks on the neck together so I have here.

Our curriculum, as I've mentioned before, evolves. Below are videos of releases using the older (for our school) kenpo-based moves and our current approach which is reference-point based.

Kenpo Based Defense from Rear Neck Grab


The reference point system is designed to respond to each attack by engaging and disabling your attacker, not just repelling him to attack you again. Also, the idea of reference points is to respond to each attack by funneling the response into a few well-known fighting maneuvers. The Lavallees self-defense, while similar to jitsu, is most directly derived from Israel-base haganah self defense. It avoids the kenpo self defense problem of there being many dramatically different moves for self defense. A cool-headed well-trained person might remember which defense to use in which situation but most people, once attacked, could get confused by the complexity of responses of the kenpo self defense.

(note - this videos were pulled together from an impromptu practice session after class. They are not performances)

I'd be very interested in your thoughts on which of these is more effective in what situations. And what you know about the heritage of these approaches...


Kenpo-Based Rear Neck Grip Again




Reference Point - Rear Neck Grip







Rear Choke - Kenpo




Rear Choke Reference Point

Rear Choke Cradle Release

Thoughts? Comments?

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4 comments:

Soke said...

All of these techniques can be effective depending of course upon how well they are executed, the intent, and the situation. The one suggestion I would make is to inflict pain immediately upon grabbing the attacker by way of joint manipulation or other means. Remember, in the REAL world you may only have a fraction of a second to get it right and disable the attacker. The highest salutations to Kyoshi Steve Lavallee!
Sincerely,
Master Dave Johnson
President ISF
"Soke" of Sei Ei Do

Anonymous said...

Here's an article which discusses the origin and theory of the original American Kenpo self defense: 50 Ways to Sunday.

Keep up the great posts with the videos!

Bob Patterson said...

Those a very similar to what we are taught in taekwondo. Just remember: A static drill is one thing but you should try to experiment with realism. When we did sometimes our techniques fail us. See:

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Interestingly I've start to take a chin na certification course this summer. They teach the exact opposite. They usually turn into rear holds and attempt a counter hold (joint manipulation, etc) that either sets up a strike or outright destroys the joint.

Nice blog btw!

~BCP

Anonymous said...

The "reference point" defenses, while similar in some ways to jitsu, are derived at Lavallee's from Haganah. They calls these positions of control and dominance "points of reference."

The system is designed to bring the opponent to the points of reference.



To learn more about haganah